Season 1, Episode 6 (52 minutes)

Episode Description

What do you do when you discover unsettling truths about one of the most revered figures in American history? How do you cope with a Christianity that is so intertwined with white supremacy that it cannot recognize its own complicity in the most egregious episodes in our nation's past? What does it feel to live on a Navajo reservation and endure the kind of marginalization that very few fellow Americans have ever had to experience? These are the types of questions that Mark Charles has had to face which have all led to the making of his book Unsettling Truths, co-authored with his friend Soong-Chan Rah. In this fascinating conversation with one of the key leading Native voices in the church, Mark shares so many compelling and unique insights that we had to keep the mics rolling to capture it all. You'll also hear about his reflections on his campaign for the presidency of the United States, what he feels called to pursue next in his life, and why he never intended to write a book in the first place.

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About the Hosts

Maila Kim

Maila Kim, Co-Host

Maila is a marketing manager at IVP; she holds a B.A. in English Language & Literature and a B.A. in Communication Studies from the University of Michigan, and an M.A. in Christian Formation & Ministry with a concentration in Bible & Theology from Wheaton College Graduate School. She enjoys photography, growing and caring for her plants, and listening to podcasts such as This American Life, Invisibilia, and Unlocking Us. Follow Maila on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook.

Ed Gilbreath

Ed Gilbreath, Co-Host

Formerly an editor at IVP, Ed is currently an executive leader at Christianity Today; he earned his bachelor’s in communication arts from Judson University and a master’s in philosophy of history from Olivet Nazarene University. He is also the author of two IVP books: Reconciliation Blues and Birmingham Revolution. Ed loves listening to an eclectic mix of music, reading narrative nonfiction books on American history and pop culture, and taking long walks while listening to podcasts such as NPR’s How I Built This, The Daily, Pass the Mic, and CT’s Quick to Listen. Follow Ed on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

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